Solusek's Eye Armor
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Solusek's Eye Armor
by Ronson Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:45 pm
Arch Slayer Grrdan:
-Firepit BP – 80 hp, 28 sta 13 agil, 20 pow, 450+ ac, 28 FR
-Grrkill – (Tank/ranger 2H Sword) – 150 hps, 824 dmg
Chief Growlnar:
-Bravo Pantaloons (melee) 100 hp, 35 dex, 10 str
-Sage's leggings (Caster) 25 hp, 100 pow, 35 Int, 10 sta
-Banishing Ring (Cleric) 44 wis 125 or 150 power
-Guardian Band (Paladin) 45 cha 105 hp 66 ac
Corx Firesnot:
Fiery Vestment (All Casters): 125 POW 50 DEX 15 AGI -50 Str
bat bone earring (all): 10 sta 40 wis 125pow
Davoh the Dark:
-Davoh’s Dirk – 690 dmg secondary, 40 str 10 sta 125 pow, 100 proc
-Bracers – 25 agi, 10 dex, 100 hp
Derranged Clockwork:
Tinker Hammer: it is gnome only, all class usable. 30sta 100hp 35AR
Drowe the Goblinslayer:
drowe's leggings HP135 Agi35 AC289 All/All plate leggings
dagger of the slayer: Str20 Dex5 AR50 proc 1HANDER
Duct Crawler Queen:
-Reticulated bracelet – 40 Cha 15 sta 100 hp lore
-Ichorfang – 804 dmg, 2hander, 200 hp
Efreeti Lord Djarn:
-Tribal Band (Shaman Ring) – 35 sta 100 hp 10 wis 40 pow 15 ar
-Slaying Ring (SK) – 35 str 125 hp 60AC
-Djarns Amethyst Ring – 150 hp, 35 Agi (all/all)
-Golden Efreeti Boots (all/al)l boots, 27 wis 27 intel 53 AC
Elder Flayer Grrva:
-Calanin’s Vestment – Monk only robe; 150 hp, 45 Str, 14 Dex
-Firepit Vestment – 28 int, 7 dex, 80 pow, 20 hp, 28 PR, 7 AR
Elder Grryow:
-Grryow’s Totem – 50 wis 175 pow healer held
-Firepit Vestment – 28 int, 7 dex, 80 pow, 20 hp, 28 PR, 7 AR
Enrager Grrlok:
-Firepit Tunic: melee, 28 dex, 7 agi, 80 hp, 28 FR, 20 pow
-Boots of Everflame (Ran Brd Rge Sha) 60 FR 123 ac
Gimha the Stunted:
-Scarf – 35 Cha, 150 pow (?), cleric only helm
-Claw - throwing knife – 35 range, 580-something dmg
Graknar (Cave Hydra):
-Solusek’s Eye (caster) 40 Int, 150 pow, 65 FR, held
-Ring of animation (Ench) 35 cha, 100 pow 10 int 30 ar LORE
-Rogue Ring – "Lucky dice" – 45 Dex, 11 agi 100 hp LORE
-twinkling amulet (Caster) 225 pow -50 str LORE
-Ring of everflame (Mage Rge) 38 Agi, 9 sta 175 power -50cr LORE
-ring of everglow (Mage Rge) Agi 38, Int 9 Pow 175 CR -50
-broken blade Description: LORE An ancient language is inscirbed upon the hilt: "Ith na elem kabar. Resilan bolash ith na elem. Gra lisa embek." This sword, and most of Graknar's drops are for the broken blade quest.
Inquisitor Zak:
-inquisitors vest – 35 sta 10 wis 100 power
-inquisitors rod – 10 sta 30 dex 100 pow, 791 dmg, 2 hander, caster/healer
Kindle:
-Obsidian Band –All/All – 120 HP, 35 DEX, 75 AC
-Impskin Gloves – Caster – 35 int, 125 pow, 40 hp, 70ish ac
King Daran:
-Darans Iron Wall (Tank) Shield, 25 Agi, 574 ac
-hunting signet ring (Ran) 28 dex, 7 agi, 100 hps, 25 pow, 64 ac
-ring of mind's eye (Wiz) +25 PoT – 50 str (Lore)
-ring of growth (Druid) 35 sta 10 wis 140 hp
-Bracelet – healer only 200 power, only stat
-Daran’s sight – 200 power healer only bracelet
-Grimsar Warblade (TANK RAN BRD RGE) 690 damage 1hs 55 dur 80 hp 180 proc
King Grog:
-Heroic Band (Warrior Ring) 140 hp, 28 sta, 7 dex, 50 ac
-Shadowy Band (Monk Ring) 30 dex 10 str 150 HP
-Diviner's leggings (Healer) 30 Wis, 150 pow 185 AC
-Soldier's legplates (Tank) 30 AGI 150 HP 315 AC 50 dur
Laknar:
-Hydra fang – 200 hp, 1hand weapon
-Brawny Bangle - Bracelet – 62 str
-gypsy band (Bard Ring) 100 hp 28 sta 7 agi 25 pow 64 ac
-ring of defilement (Necro) 125 pow 35 DR 28 ar
-transmutation trinket (Alc) 28 sta 125 hp 35 PR
-Sorcerous Wand (caster) 50 DEX, 20 INT, 125 Pow held
Lava Enforcer:
-Firegold Necklace – all/all neck, 50 FR
-lava eaten column (Healer Mace)
primary, 600 dmg, 1hb 125 pow, 5 dex, 45 wis 15 cha 10 ar 125 pow
Lord Nagafen:
imbued granite helm (TANK) -40 int, 210 hp, 137 ac
flame etched chestguard (TANK) 50 dex, 100 hp, -25 cr, 457 ac
NOTE: Seems to have innate off mod(s) on it, offensive DMG output increases visably.
massive mithril torque (TANK) 25 str, 100 hp, 100 ac
black basalt boots (TANK) 10 str, 41 fr, 202 ac
bladestopper (TANK) 20 agi, 100 hp, 541 ac
blessed protector (TNK HLR) shield 50 wis, 80 power, 482 ac dur50
hammer of the paragon (PAL CL) (730 dmg, 1hb, 50 aoe heal proc) 100 pow *double procs often*
staff of the jade forest (HLR) 680 dmg, 2hb 15 wis 50 cha 70 pow
immaculate pants of penance (HLR MNK) 55 cha, 85 pow, 167 ac
gleaming adamanstone wand (CSTR) 9 int, 100 hp, 150 pow
lost knife of the arcane (CSTR) 570 dmg, 1hp 40agi 30int 100pow 20ar 15cr 10fr
robe of the dragonhoard (CASTER) 30 sta, 140 pow, 80 ac
ancient eldaar bow (MELEE) (766 dmg rng 40) power steal proc
gold plated koshiigatana (MELEE) (716 dmg, 1hs) 20 str/dex
syro's nimble blade (TNK RAN BRD RGE) 693 dmg 1hs dur 80 10agi 40dex 75hp
gauntlets of fiery might (TNK RAN BRD RGE) 40str 15dex 120hp 182ac
shirt of blackened links (TNK RAN BRD RGE) 30dex 175hp 326ac
belt of red dragon scales (ALL) 125hp 63ac 99dur
lost king's talisman (ALL) 150hp 40lr 11ac
STONES:
Soulstone: 20 charges, 80 or 90% res
Blind Man’s Lantern: monk only, +300 WIS, +1000 PoT, 30 sec duration, self buff
Emerald of Pure Energy: adds spell effect Manaflare, +20,000 PoT, -1,000 hp DoT, 25 charges, turns you into a wisp
Sacred Peach: Food, 300 charges, +174 PoT/HoT
Orim Flamestone:
-Ash Robe – 125 pow, 36 sta 12 dex 10 FR
-LavaRock Shield – 100 hp, 545 ac, 30 FR
Reaver Thoran:
-Reaver’s blade – 150 hp, 20 str 728 DMG 2h sword tank/ranger
-Granite Chestplate (Tank Cl)– 39 Agi, 488 ac
Singe:
-drakescale ring (CASTER HEALER MNK) 50 hp, 45 fr, 88 ac
-obsidian bead hoop (ALL) 50 agi, 15 int, 40 ac earring
Throm Flameweaver:
-flame weaver's turban (caster head): agi 40 int 10 pow 100 AC 72
-flame weaver's staff (caster) pow250 wis40 int20 fr50 2Hd
Wrag the Unclean:
-Snotblock – 35 agi, 250 pow 312 ac caster chield
-Hollowed bone helm – forgot stats except 35 PR, monk drd
Loot Table for all common mobs (bats/beetles/kobolds/fire giants/gobs/slayers etc.)
Ultra Rare:
Crimson Lacquered Bracelet: melee only; no shammy. Dur50 Lvl60 55FR 40AC one arm forearm.
Dragons blood: Warrior Only, 630 DMG, 17 STR, 150 HP
Donals Hammer: Cleric only, 1HB – 578 DMG, 66 Dur,170 Pow, 20 WIS, 35 FR
Firesheen Shield: shaman only, 30 cha, 10 sta, 50 hp, 100 power 320 ac shield 25Healshield
Firesong Chestguard: Bard only, 100 HP, STA 20, AGI 10, FR 35, AC 319
Flameshield Guardian: Paladin only, 460~ AC, 58 FR
Flameshot Longbow: Ranger only, 758 damage, 30 range, 40 dur, broken fr debuff proc
Thiefs band: Rogue Only, 40 dex, 10 agi, 20 ar, 100 hp
Tinker’s Hammer (?): 35 sta 30 ar 125 hp (?) gnome only hammer
Workman Gloves: Alc only, Pow 100, 25 WIS, 10 INT, 35 PR, 113 AC
Rare:
Firedrop Hoop: 35 cha 125 pow 10 ar
Firepit Totem: healer held, 45 cha 10 wis 150 power?
Nocholus Breastplate: tank, 20 sta? –15 int 125 hp AC 455
Firepit Insignia: all/all bracelet 50 sta 50 hp
Andelfoof’s Gown: caster/healer/monk robe 30 sta 150 pow 30 ar –25 fr
Firegold band: All/All ring, pow 100, DEX 11, WIS 43, AC 23, FR 10
Gorereaver: caster/monk 600-800 proc on gobs, monk/caster, 700 damage?
Belt of Fire: 35 dex 115 hp 56 ac all/all
Cindersilk Sandals: 15 int, 100 pow, 20 fr? Caster/monk
Uncommon:
Diviner’s Vestment: healer/caster/monk robe 25 wis 125 pow 5 cha and some ar
Lavasteel Tower: 25 sta 10 wis 100 hp 499 ac? Tank/cl shield
Soluesk Choppa: Str 20 dex 5 ar 20 lr 5 100 hp tank 2 hand
Soluesk Kris: Tanks/melee 15 sta 100 hp 1hp 622 damage
Pyromancer’s Robe: caster robe 25 int 125 power 10 sta 25 fr 5 lr
Obsidian Crusher: 622 damage, 1hb lvl 58 sec. dur 65, 15 sta 100 pow
Obsidian Bracelet:10 sta, 25 dex, 75 pow, 25 hp, 20 ac LORE caster/melee
Class Specific Armour Drops
Common(every set also has –20 cr +20 fr)
Obs Splint melee/sha/alc:
Helm: 25 str 10 dex 75 hp
Tunic: 25 agi 10 dex 75 hp
Boots: 25 dex 10 cha hp 75
Pants: 25 agi 10 sta pow 75
Gloves: 25 agi 10 sta 75 pow
Bracers: 25 sta 10 wis pow 75
Lava Etched tank/cl:
Helm: 25 wis 10 sta 75 pow
Tunic: 25 sta 10 dex 75 hp
Boots: ????
Pants: 25 str 10 dex 75 hp
Gloves: 25 sta 10 dex 75 hp
Bracers: 25 str 10 sta 75 hp
Belt: 25 agi 10 sta 25 pow 75 hp
Fire Scale melee/sha:
Helm: 25 sta 10 str 75 hp
Tunic: 25 agi 10 dex 75 hp
Boots: 25 sta? 10 str? 75 hp
Pants: 25 dex 10 sta 75 hp
Gloves: 25 agi 10str 75 hp
Bracers: 25 dex 10 agi 75 pow
Flame Woven caster:
Helm: 25 int 10 wis 75 hp
Tunic: 25 int 10 agi 75 pow
Boots: 25 int 10 agi pow 75
Pants: 25 dex 10 int 75 hp
Gloves: 25 sta 10 int 75 pow
Bracers: 25 dex 10 agi 75 pow
Belt: 25 int 10 cha hp 25 75 pow
-Firepit BP – 80 hp, 28 sta 13 agil, 20 pow, 450+ ac, 28 FR
-Grrkill – (Tank/ranger 2H Sword) – 150 hps, 824 dmg
Chief Growlnar:
-Bravo Pantaloons (melee) 100 hp, 35 dex, 10 str
-Sage's leggings (Caster) 25 hp, 100 pow, 35 Int, 10 sta
-Banishing Ring (Cleric) 44 wis 125 or 150 power
-Guardian Band (Paladin) 45 cha 105 hp 66 ac
Corx Firesnot:
Fiery Vestment (All Casters): 125 POW 50 DEX 15 AGI -50 Str
bat bone earring (all): 10 sta 40 wis 125pow
Davoh the Dark:
-Davoh’s Dirk – 690 dmg secondary, 40 str 10 sta 125 pow, 100 proc
-Bracers – 25 agi, 10 dex, 100 hp
Derranged Clockwork:
Tinker Hammer: it is gnome only, all class usable. 30sta 100hp 35AR
Drowe the Goblinslayer:
drowe's leggings HP135 Agi35 AC289 All/All plate leggings
dagger of the slayer: Str20 Dex5 AR50 proc 1HANDER
Duct Crawler Queen:
-Reticulated bracelet – 40 Cha 15 sta 100 hp lore
-Ichorfang – 804 dmg, 2hander, 200 hp
Efreeti Lord Djarn:
-Tribal Band (Shaman Ring) – 35 sta 100 hp 10 wis 40 pow 15 ar
-Slaying Ring (SK) – 35 str 125 hp 60AC
-Djarns Amethyst Ring – 150 hp, 35 Agi (all/all)
-Golden Efreeti Boots (all/al)l boots, 27 wis 27 intel 53 AC
Elder Flayer Grrva:
-Calanin’s Vestment – Monk only robe; 150 hp, 45 Str, 14 Dex
-Firepit Vestment – 28 int, 7 dex, 80 pow, 20 hp, 28 PR, 7 AR
Elder Grryow:
-Grryow’s Totem – 50 wis 175 pow healer held
-Firepit Vestment – 28 int, 7 dex, 80 pow, 20 hp, 28 PR, 7 AR
Enrager Grrlok:
-Firepit Tunic: melee, 28 dex, 7 agi, 80 hp, 28 FR, 20 pow
-Boots of Everflame (Ran Brd Rge Sha) 60 FR 123 ac
Gimha the Stunted:
-Scarf – 35 Cha, 150 pow (?), cleric only helm
-Claw - throwing knife – 35 range, 580-something dmg
Graknar (Cave Hydra):
-Solusek’s Eye (caster) 40 Int, 150 pow, 65 FR, held
-Ring of animation (Ench) 35 cha, 100 pow 10 int 30 ar LORE
-Rogue Ring – "Lucky dice" – 45 Dex, 11 agi 100 hp LORE
-twinkling amulet (Caster) 225 pow -50 str LORE
-Ring of everflame (Mage Rge) 38 Agi, 9 sta 175 power -50cr LORE
-ring of everglow (Mage Rge) Agi 38, Int 9 Pow 175 CR -50
-broken blade Description: LORE An ancient language is inscirbed upon the hilt: "Ith na elem kabar. Resilan bolash ith na elem. Gra lisa embek." This sword, and most of Graknar's drops are for the broken blade quest.
Inquisitor Zak:
-inquisitors vest – 35 sta 10 wis 100 power
-inquisitors rod – 10 sta 30 dex 100 pow, 791 dmg, 2 hander, caster/healer
Kindle:
-Obsidian Band –All/All – 120 HP, 35 DEX, 75 AC
-Impskin Gloves – Caster – 35 int, 125 pow, 40 hp, 70ish ac
King Daran:
-Darans Iron Wall (Tank) Shield, 25 Agi, 574 ac
-hunting signet ring (Ran) 28 dex, 7 agi, 100 hps, 25 pow, 64 ac
-ring of mind's eye (Wiz) +25 PoT – 50 str (Lore)
-ring of growth (Druid) 35 sta 10 wis 140 hp
-Bracelet – healer only 200 power, only stat
-Daran’s sight – 200 power healer only bracelet
-Grimsar Warblade (TANK RAN BRD RGE) 690 damage 1hs 55 dur 80 hp 180 proc
King Grog:
-Heroic Band (Warrior Ring) 140 hp, 28 sta, 7 dex, 50 ac
-Shadowy Band (Monk Ring) 30 dex 10 str 150 HP
-Diviner's leggings (Healer) 30 Wis, 150 pow 185 AC
-Soldier's legplates (Tank) 30 AGI 150 HP 315 AC 50 dur
Laknar:
-Hydra fang – 200 hp, 1hand weapon
-Brawny Bangle - Bracelet – 62 str
-gypsy band (Bard Ring) 100 hp 28 sta 7 agi 25 pow 64 ac
-ring of defilement (Necro) 125 pow 35 DR 28 ar
-transmutation trinket (Alc) 28 sta 125 hp 35 PR
-Sorcerous Wand (caster) 50 DEX, 20 INT, 125 Pow held
Lava Enforcer:
-Firegold Necklace – all/all neck, 50 FR
-lava eaten column (Healer Mace)
primary, 600 dmg, 1hb 125 pow, 5 dex, 45 wis 15 cha 10 ar 125 pow
Lord Nagafen:
imbued granite helm (TANK) -40 int, 210 hp, 137 ac
flame etched chestguard (TANK) 50 dex, 100 hp, -25 cr, 457 ac
NOTE: Seems to have innate off mod(s) on it, offensive DMG output increases visably.
massive mithril torque (TANK) 25 str, 100 hp, 100 ac
black basalt boots (TANK) 10 str, 41 fr, 202 ac
bladestopper (TANK) 20 agi, 100 hp, 541 ac
blessed protector (TNK HLR) shield 50 wis, 80 power, 482 ac dur50
hammer of the paragon (PAL CL) (730 dmg, 1hb, 50 aoe heal proc) 100 pow *double procs often*
staff of the jade forest (HLR) 680 dmg, 2hb 15 wis 50 cha 70 pow
immaculate pants of penance (HLR MNK) 55 cha, 85 pow, 167 ac
gleaming adamanstone wand (CSTR) 9 int, 100 hp, 150 pow
lost knife of the arcane (CSTR) 570 dmg, 1hp 40agi 30int 100pow 20ar 15cr 10fr
robe of the dragonhoard (CASTER) 30 sta, 140 pow, 80 ac
ancient eldaar bow (MELEE) (766 dmg rng 40) power steal proc
gold plated koshiigatana (MELEE) (716 dmg, 1hs) 20 str/dex
syro's nimble blade (TNK RAN BRD RGE) 693 dmg 1hs dur 80 10agi 40dex 75hp
gauntlets of fiery might (TNK RAN BRD RGE) 40str 15dex 120hp 182ac
shirt of blackened links (TNK RAN BRD RGE) 30dex 175hp 326ac
belt of red dragon scales (ALL) 125hp 63ac 99dur
lost king's talisman (ALL) 150hp 40lr 11ac
STONES:
Soulstone: 20 charges, 80 or 90% res
Blind Man’s Lantern: monk only, +300 WIS, +1000 PoT, 30 sec duration, self buff
Emerald of Pure Energy: adds spell effect Manaflare, +20,000 PoT, -1,000 hp DoT, 25 charges, turns you into a wisp
Sacred Peach: Food, 300 charges, +174 PoT/HoT
Orim Flamestone:
-Ash Robe – 125 pow, 36 sta 12 dex 10 FR
-LavaRock Shield – 100 hp, 545 ac, 30 FR
Reaver Thoran:
-Reaver’s blade – 150 hp, 20 str 728 DMG 2h sword tank/ranger
-Granite Chestplate (Tank Cl)– 39 Agi, 488 ac
Singe:
-drakescale ring (CASTER HEALER MNK) 50 hp, 45 fr, 88 ac
-obsidian bead hoop (ALL) 50 agi, 15 int, 40 ac earring
Throm Flameweaver:
-flame weaver's turban (caster head): agi 40 int 10 pow 100 AC 72
-flame weaver's staff (caster) pow250 wis40 int20 fr50 2Hd
Wrag the Unclean:
-Snotblock – 35 agi, 250 pow 312 ac caster chield
-Hollowed bone helm – forgot stats except 35 PR, monk drd
Loot Table for all common mobs (bats/beetles/kobolds/fire giants/gobs/slayers etc.)
Ultra Rare:
Crimson Lacquered Bracelet: melee only; no shammy. Dur50 Lvl60 55FR 40AC one arm forearm.
Dragons blood: Warrior Only, 630 DMG, 17 STR, 150 HP
Donals Hammer: Cleric only, 1HB – 578 DMG, 66 Dur,170 Pow, 20 WIS, 35 FR
Firesheen Shield: shaman only, 30 cha, 10 sta, 50 hp, 100 power 320 ac shield 25Healshield
Firesong Chestguard: Bard only, 100 HP, STA 20, AGI 10, FR 35, AC 319
Flameshield Guardian: Paladin only, 460~ AC, 58 FR
Flameshot Longbow: Ranger only, 758 damage, 30 range, 40 dur, broken fr debuff proc
Thiefs band: Rogue Only, 40 dex, 10 agi, 20 ar, 100 hp
Tinker’s Hammer (?): 35 sta 30 ar 125 hp (?) gnome only hammer
Workman Gloves: Alc only, Pow 100, 25 WIS, 10 INT, 35 PR, 113 AC
Rare:
Firedrop Hoop: 35 cha 125 pow 10 ar
Firepit Totem: healer held, 45 cha 10 wis 150 power?
Nocholus Breastplate: tank, 20 sta? –15 int 125 hp AC 455
Firepit Insignia: all/all bracelet 50 sta 50 hp
Andelfoof’s Gown: caster/healer/monk robe 30 sta 150 pow 30 ar –25 fr
Firegold band: All/All ring, pow 100, DEX 11, WIS 43, AC 23, FR 10
Gorereaver: caster/monk 600-800 proc on gobs, monk/caster, 700 damage?
Belt of Fire: 35 dex 115 hp 56 ac all/all
Cindersilk Sandals: 15 int, 100 pow, 20 fr? Caster/monk
Uncommon:
Diviner’s Vestment: healer/caster/monk robe 25 wis 125 pow 5 cha and some ar
Lavasteel Tower: 25 sta 10 wis 100 hp 499 ac? Tank/cl shield
Soluesk Choppa: Str 20 dex 5 ar 20 lr 5 100 hp tank 2 hand
Soluesk Kris: Tanks/melee 15 sta 100 hp 1hp 622 damage
Pyromancer’s Robe: caster robe 25 int 125 power 10 sta 25 fr 5 lr
Obsidian Crusher: 622 damage, 1hb lvl 58 sec. dur 65, 15 sta 100 pow
Obsidian Bracelet:10 sta, 25 dex, 75 pow, 25 hp, 20 ac LORE caster/melee
Class Specific Armour Drops
Common(every set also has –20 cr +20 fr)
Obs Splint melee/sha/alc:
Helm: 25 str 10 dex 75 hp
Tunic: 25 agi 10 dex 75 hp
Boots: 25 dex 10 cha hp 75
Pants: 25 agi 10 sta pow 75
Gloves: 25 agi 10 sta 75 pow
Bracers: 25 sta 10 wis pow 75
Lava Etched tank/cl:
Helm: 25 wis 10 sta 75 pow
Tunic: 25 sta 10 dex 75 hp
Boots: ????
Pants: 25 str 10 dex 75 hp
Gloves: 25 sta 10 dex 75 hp
Bracers: 25 str 10 sta 75 hp
Belt: 25 agi 10 sta 25 pow 75 hp
Fire Scale melee/sha:
Helm: 25 sta 10 str 75 hp
Tunic: 25 agi 10 dex 75 hp
Boots: 25 sta? 10 str? 75 hp
Pants: 25 dex 10 sta 75 hp
Gloves: 25 agi 10str 75 hp
Bracers: 25 dex 10 agi 75 pow
Flame Woven caster:
Helm: 25 int 10 wis 75 hp
Tunic: 25 int 10 agi 75 pow
Boots: 25 int 10 agi pow 75
Pants: 25 dex 10 int 75 hp
Gloves: 25 sta 10 int 75 pow
Bracers: 25 dex 10 agi 75 pow
Belt: 25 int 10 cha hp 25 75 pow
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